HM Exclusive: Pillar Interview
Carey Womack, who wrote the Pillar feature in our January/February issue, gave us the following transcript of his interview wtih Rob Beckley. We apologize for taking so long to share it, but here it is:
Carey: So, back in the day, I used to play in a Christian rock band and I guess one of the things we had to deal over time was deciding, “How serious are we about this,” and “what’s the purpose of this band,” and here you guys are quite a few years into it and several albums into it. What’s your commitment right now to Pillar?
Rob: Well, realistically, I guess, and this is kind of, would go back and actually touch a little bit on and this may be a later question and so I’ll acknowledge that in case this answers your question for later, but “For the Love of the Game,” for us it’s not necessarily sport oriented. It kind of, I guess, came up as a metaphor from the sport world, but realistically it’s kind of two-fold. And the first one is the exact answer to that question. We’ve been doing this now for ten years, or by the time this record comes out, ten years. And I’ve been fortunate enough, that for about nine of those years, that’s all I’ve done. This has been my career, my lifestyle, you know, this is how I provide for my family. This is what I know, and as a man, as the head of a household, you always look for ways to be successful at providing for your family. Like, it’s kind of instilled within us as men to make sure we’re providing for our families. So, this far into my career (like) for me to wake up in the mornings and say, “I get to do this,” instead of, “I have to do this,” is a huge, to me that’s a huge – I don’t know – it keeps my mind, body, and soul in check, really. It gives my own accountability for me to say, “You know what,” I, I need to wake up and say, “I get to do this. I get to play rock and roll for a living, and I get to change people’s lives through music.” There’s not a whole lot of other things in this world that’s as cool-sounding as that to me. Usually the grass is always greener. It’s like, “man,” and you can sit there and complain about it to somebody, and they’re, “Aw, man, I wish I was in a band.” And you’re like, “Oh, man, you don’t want to do it. It’s so much work,” and blah, blah, blah, (indecipherable) the family. And you can sit there and talk yourself out of it. But at the end of the day, I get to do this. And the quotations are around “get.” You know, like, “I don’t have to do it; I get to do it.” And this late in your career, it’s easy to just hang ‘em up, if you really want to. You’re like, “Ah, I did all I can do,” or, “blah, blah, blah.” I haven’t even begun to reach the full potential, I feel like, of what I’m personally capable of, what our band is capable of. And so that, really, “For the Love of the Game,” is our love and passion for what we do. Now, to take that one step further into the spiritual realm of “For the Love of the Game,” it’s not just the game of us playing music and traveling all over the place and getting to write and record and play concerts, blah, blah, blah. That’s one side of it – that’s our love and passion for, you know, playing the music. On the flip side of things, on the spiritual side, the reason we went with “The Love of the Game” as the title, is because of what the song really means. At first, you know at first glance, or when you first hear it, you’re like, “Oh, ‘For the Love of the Game,’ that’s awesome! Pillar loves what they do; they enjoy being where they’re at.” Um, and that’s kind of what we want people to think. But then, the song itself is about Paul’s metaphor of the pursuit of Christ being like a race. Keep your eyes on the prize, you know, keep your head about you. All these things. My metaphor alongside that metaphor is “Keep your head in the game.” It’s win or lose; you don’t get second chances. You know, this is a one-time deal, that you either win or lose, it’s heaven or hell. It’s that cut and dried. Um – so the game we’re speaking of is the pursuit of Christ. (An) everyday battle that we have to deal with, that we have to face. Just like an athlete preps himself, you know, through discipline, of diet, of working out, to keep their bodies in shape. Of constantly watching game films, or bettering themselves – their mind, their knowledge, and then they go out and perform. It’s the same, it parallels the same metaphor as following Christ, of we need to be disciplined at how we take care of ourselves, how we, what we put into our minds, both visually, and you know, through what we hear, see, and touch. At the same time, we need to be ready to perform. We don’t just play a game on Sunday, you know. It’s not just the Sunday performance thing, and then, you know, just give up the rest of the week. A football team rehearses, you know, they practice all week and then they perform on Sunday. We don’t get the luxury. We have to perform every day. Ours is a, ours is a daily game; we’re facing daily battles that are real spiritual-realm battles that we choose, as followers of Christ, to engage in that competition, basically. And the beauty is, it’s like playing for an undefeated team, you know, but every once in a while, they might find themselves, even though the team’s undefeated, they might find themselves down and out, or feel like they’re behind in the game, or whatever, and they start to lose focus, to get down. The truth is, the victory’s already there, we know that. That’s a truth that we know. But, instead of getting our heads down and if we would play…, But what does the coach always say, if you’re, you know, a number one-ranked basketball team, and they’re getting beat by the worst team in the country, and they start getting beat. The coach is going to call a time-out, he’s going to bring them over there to the sideline, and he’s going to say, “You guys need to get your head in the game. You’re better than this. You need to focus. Now let’s get back out there and do what you’re capable of doing.” Sometimes that’s what it takes. It takes a friend, or a pastor, or a loved one, um..a spouse – sometimes it’s just you and God - somebody to come up to you, call the timeout in your life, smack you in the face, and say, “Hey, you need to wake up. You’re not performing the way you need to perform.” And those are the things that, when it comes down to it, the passion for playing, like in sports, it’s a lifestyle. They commit to that. That is their passion, and we as believers should have the same passion for pursuing Christ. And that, in and of itself, is “For the love of the game,” and the reason that we went with the name, “For the Love of the Game.” “For the Love of the Game” equals the passion to pursue Christ.
Carey: Cool. I certainly recognize the metaphor or whatever, but I wanted to open with the sports thing as sort of a warm-up, and kind of wondering where the metaphor came from for you.
Rob: I’m not discrediting that. This is only, like, the third interview I’ve done so far on this record, yesterday and today, and, dude, I’m still pumped up talking about it.
Carey: Awesome. So tell me, in terms of yourself, who’s that person, or persons, to sit you down and call time-out and help you get your head screwed on straight?
Rob: I have a great group of guys around me from my church. My pastor, he’s, he’s, is really in my face about stuff. We love to go fishing. In fact, I’m going fishing with him tomorrow, and that’s uh, it’s just he and I out there on this little pond. Or uh, some guys…. I started a men’s group here, and it’s kinda like the Fight Club. But you know, at the Fight Club stays the Fight Club. It’s a place for us to come and vent. We can talk about our struggles with each other to encourage one another, to keep each other strong. And, uh, those are incredibly powerful relationships. To have something like that in your life, especially with me being in more of a, I guess, a spotlight role. And a couple of the guys are on staff at my church, so they have that same spotlight on ‘em. It’s good to have accountability that is from an outside perspective.
Carey: (Absolutely.)
Rob: It has absolutely no (indecipherable). You can blame everything on something. And for me it’s easy to go, “Ah, ….” They’re like, “When’s the last time you read your Bible?” I’m like, “Man, it’s been a coupla weeks. I’ve been on the road. I haven’t had a chance to breathe. We’ve been flying coast to coast. Blah, blah, blah.” You know, you just make up excuses. And they’re like, “You’re trying to tell me you didn’t go to the bathroom, that you don’t take your Bible in the bathroom. You mean to tell me that you didn’t have some time on a flight, you tried to catch up on sleep, you can’t take, you know, twenty minutes to just read.” I mean, they’re pretty, we’re very open and almost verbally encouraging. ‘Cause, even when, it’s when you don’t want to hear it, that’s when you need it the most.
Carey: It’s great to have friends that, like you say, that are good enough to call it how it is, and also have that outside perspective.
Rob: Absolutely.
Carey: Years ago, a buddy of mine wrote a song called “Cut Your Hair,” and it was kind of directed to, I guess, kids that were into Christian music, you know. And sometimes they’re the total, kind of, youth group kids. Or sometimes maybe the ones, …they’re Christians, and they’re sort of in and out of church, but they feel like, well you know, “The church won’t accept me. I’m too wild. My hair’s too long. It’s too this, it’s too that. You know, don’t like the music. Can’t sit still, or whatever. So I’m gonna live out my faith apart from a church. I’m just as committed as anybody else, but I don’t need the church.” And I hear you talking about this commitment to a group of guys, and having a great relationship with your pastor. What would you say to those kind of kids?
Rob: Well, there’s a, you know, I went through, not necessarily being ‘the outcast,’ but I went through a phase where I didn’t want anything to do with Christians. I mean, let alone, you know, making excuses to not go to church. I didn’t want anything to do with Christians. And, my, the biggest thing is this: it all comes down to what you want to put into it, and what you want out of it. You know, what you’re willing to sacrifice. It’s like, if you’re not willing to give up an hour or two on a Sunday, then you’re not going to ever get anything out of it. If it’s a matter of you can’t find the right church, maybe it’s time to stop looking at what the church needs to do for you and what you can do for a church. You know, my church actually has its services “live” on the internet on Sundays. And what that allows me to do, I don’t have an excuse to miss church. If I’m gone, the only excuse I can possibly have is that I don’t have some type of internet connection, on a Sunday morning, if we’re flying. Or, you know, they have two services that are live on the internet. Otherwise, then, I have to wait ‘til Tuesday, ‘til the pod cast is available. But I don’t have an excuse for missing church, as far as being gone. And my wife will be the first one in my ear if I do. Because what it allows me, it allows me to talk to my wife, um, about church. We can go to church at the same time, and I might be in a different country, even. I woke up in the middle of the night while we were in Australia, to get up and watch my church service. It’s all about commitment level. And that’s not to say, “Hey, I’m better than everybody, because I get up in the middle of the night.” It comes down to, what’s your commitment level? I’m committed to my family, and going through a series at my church together. And I’m committed to my church, and I’m committed to God, you know. Those are things that I, that I want. My own selfish desires, I want God to bless me. I want to follow Him. That’s what… I want, I want to know that I’m serving God. So you can call it, you know, out of my own wants, that’s what I want out of it. What am I going to put into it to get that? If I don’t put anything in it, I’m not gonna get it. And so a kid that, you know, tries…blames everything else, for the rest of their life, that’s all they’re gonna get, is they’re never going to get anything out of life, because they’re focused on what they’re not getting.
Carey: Yeah. Absolutely. And uh, when you’re making that commitment to a church, uh, you know, I guess the thing cuts both ways, both, you know, what they’re putting into you, and into your life, but also what you’re willing to put into them. Um, kinda like what you were saying. And one of the criticisms my friend would have, you know, regarding some of these kids, was, you know, that it was, you know, their, I guess, um, one of the lines was, ah, or the whole thing behind “cut your hair,” was that, “I’m so cool and I’m so rock-n-roll. Ah – and if I need a job, but nobody will hire me, because my hair’s too long. Well, who cares, it’s their fault, I’m not gonna cut my hair, because that’s who I am,” kinda thing. You know what I mean? You know, what’s your identity really in and what are you willing to give, um, both toward who you want to be as a person, and who you want to be in the church, and that kind of thing.
Rob: Yeah.
Carey: What would you say to somebody like that?
Rob: If you’re, if you’re wrapped up in, if you’re wrapped up in worrying about what people, you know, think about you, (pause) I guess you’re in for a long life. And that’s, I think that’s a thing that a lot of teenagers, especially who aren’t Christians, but even those who are, they struggle with their identity early on. And for those that don’t have, you know, a strong relationship with Christ, and confident in who God has called them to be and what they, you know, they’re called to do, you, you do struggle with insecurities. And we all have insecurities. My wife has insecurities. I have insecurities. We…you know, all the guys in the band have insecurities. And I’ve never come across people really that I’ve ever grown to know that didn’t have insecurities. The truth isn’t like you have to be willing to, um, not necessarily cut your hair, but to be confident in that God told ‘em, you know, that that’s who God made you in the first place. If you’re not confident with that, then why do you have long hair?
Carey: Right. Yeah. And he was using it as a metaphor, too. I mean it could be practically anything in your life, that, you, um, you know, that you wrapped your identity up in, other than Christ. You know, and other than, you know, the calling that God has on your life and whoever it was, whoever it is that God’s created you to be, because, you know, every single person is created to be a unique individual, and God has made us who we are for a reason.
Rob: Yes, exactly. You have to be willing to commit to the change. If you’re not comfortable with the situation, you can’t blame others. You have to, we have to look inwardly first, in every situation.
Carey: Absolutely. So, you kinda touched on this before, but I kinda wanted to ask it directly, and it goes back to my previous experience as well, and maybe to the broader, you know, “What is Christian music,” “Are we a Christian band,” “Are we not a Christian band” debate. And, and I guess my personal perspective on it, is that, hey, you know, if you happen to be a Christian who’s in a band and you just write songs about whatever, great. If you’re a Christian, and you’re in a band, and you’re, um, trying to speak to the broader culture, but in terms that are not gonna turn ‘em off, great. If you’re Christians in a band that are called to, you know, to reach the youth groups or whatever else, great. But a big key in all of that, to me, is to know what your own purpose is supposed to be, to know what your own calling is, and then to be true and faithful to that. Um, and so, I guess, um, you know, what is the purpose or the mission or the calling on Pillar?
Rob: Well, I….It’s funny, you know, that you even bring it up, because honestly, I think, that’s something that we’ve really struggled with, maybe as a band. I don’t think we ever really had clear vision, um, of what we really wanted, um until recently. And I think that’s a lot of the reason that this record became so effortless and fun was, we had that vision again to, to be encouragers to the church, to write the songs for the kid who’s getting ready to go to college, that needs something to encourage them in their faith to stay strong. Or to the kid in high school, that’s facing, you know, they’re dealing with their faith, or they want to really become a Christian – they’ve been going to youth group – and our music can help them bring them closer to God. Those are the kind of things that we want to be. Is it a Christian band or are we Christians in a band? It’s like, to me, it’s not even, it’s not even a debate anymore. It’s just, it’s both. You can’t be one without the other, to me. You’re, you can’t be Christians in a band and not be a Christian band, and you can’t be a Christian band and not be Christians in a band. They’re kind of hand in hand. So, we’re both, you know.
Carey: Right. I kinda see…I’ve heard the new album a few times, like two and a half times, and I’ve enjoyed it. But one of my early reactions was, you know, that the lyrics here, hey, they are encouraging, they are, um, I guess, not, not in any way preachy, but clearly coming from the faith perspective, um, you know, in an encouraging way.
Rob: Absolutely, man.
Carey: And that’s kind of what you said. And I say that even by way of comparison, you know, going back to The Reckoning, or whatever. Not that it’s a night and day change, or anything like that, but just that it seemed like that attitude, or that theme, came across more freely, or even stronger on the new record. I mean, is that a perception that you think’s pretty accurate, or what would you say?
Rob: Oh, the last record was written with the vision of reaching outside the walls of the church, you know. We literally wrote to try to, to try and reach outside the church. And this record, you know, like I, uh….My vision for this record I think is more clear than any record I’ve ever been a part of, and that’s to go out and make an impact in the church. I think everybody’s so outwardly focused right now, myself included. When I say everybody, I think we lost focus of what we were called to do, about thinking that you have to go, uh, you know, it has to be a mainstream success or it’s not a successful record, and we need to see if we can cross it over. I’m all about that, man. I think that that’s great, and for all the bands that are going, I honestly, one hundred percent, applaud them. But for us, right now, it’s just, that’s not the case anymore. I want to be encourager for the church. I think the church has got some hurting people right now, and we gotta find a way to encourage them in a positive way.
Carey: Musically, this new record, how would you contrast it to where you guys have been? You know, what’s new for you, on this record? What was the approach y’all took, musically? Did it just sort of come out, or did you head in a certain direction on purpose?
Rob: I guess touching on the fact of how much we realized we loved doing what we do, we got to a good place, and this was just, absolutely, the most effortless record we’ve ever done. It just poured out of us, like, so quick and effortless. And I guess that that’s the confidence that we know that God’s hand was on it. ‘Cause it was just honestly, that thing just poured out of us like it was nothing.
Carey: Um-huh. Who really shines on this record, musically, do you feel like?
Rob: Well, everybody, you know. Like, we all, everybody’s got lots of things that they did. And Noah played his tail off. Lester just, always just, you know, an amazing drummer. Mike had some of the coolest bass lines and stuff that he’s ever had. I feel like Wyrick really pushed me, vocally. Performance-wise, he pushed things to where they needed to be. I think everybody shined, you know. And I think we all, because like I said it was just so easy that we all had a good time doing it. It’s, it’s effortless when it’s a good time. You know, it’s like they say, “Time flies when you’re having fun.” And also, when something’s that fun, you don’t realize how much work you’ve put in. When you’re doing something that’s a good time, you’re like, “Man! We’re done already.” That’s kinda how I felt about it.
Carey: Good deal. I guess one of my initial reactions musically, and especially the first part of the album, and it kind of fits in with the whole encouragement thing, and also just loving what you do, and “love of the game,” it seems like a lot of those early songs just really lent themselves well to big, you know, gang background vocals and live concert performance, where the crowd will just be screaming out, uh, certain vocal parts, and certain gang lines, and stuff like that, you know, even more so than some of the other Pillar stuff. Which, I think that’s always been a big element of what you do, but it really seemed to shine on some of those early songs.
Rob: Yeah. It’s uh, it’s definitely one of those things that we pushed to the limit. And you know, when we went into this thing, I told our producer, I said, “I want eighties gang vocals. I want to bring it back, man. I want to hear big arena rock on this record.” He, he nailed it.
Carey: Yeah, I like the sound of it. Um, the bass, a lot of the early songs, and throughout, but the bass tones are cool, and it seems like, in several of the songs, there’s a real prominent part of the bass just sort of leading the way and setting the tone for what’s to come.
Rob: Yeah, absolutely.
Carey: So, are there moments on the new album that you guys are, like, super proud of? Not that you’re not proud of the whole thing, but were there any moments that you’re just, that y’all did it, and you hear it back, and you think, “That’s so cool. I didn’t know that we’d ever have anything that sounded that good.” What are those high points on the record for you?
Rob: Hard to say, man. I mean, I think that ultimately, I know that it’s kind of a cop-out answer, but I think we would say that about the record. I think this late in our career, I don’t think that there’s necessarily a high point on the record. I think that the high point is, I never would’ve guessed that after doing this for ten years, and our fifth national release, that it would be the best record. You know, not many bands can say that their fifth record was their best record. You know, there are a lot of bands out there that can say that, but then there’s not very many. So, for, for us to be able to confidently say, our best record is, you know, could be yet to come. This is the best that we’ve put together for sure right now. I would say, that’s what I would say, that the high point for me, is when we finish the record, sitting back and going, “Wow. I can’t believe this came out of us, right now.”
Carey: What about lyrically? What’s the lyrical process for you? In terms of when it comes, in the writing process, you know, music or lyrics, or at the same time? And what are those lyrical moments that really seem to stand out to you, or get at you personally more, you know?
Rob: Well, lyrically, most of the stuff is music first. Ninety percent, probably, music first. Songs like, “Smiling Down,” the ballad, I did music and lyrics on that one; I wrote ‘em together. “For the Love of the Game,” I had the chorus and everything already done up, before I, you know, I came to the table, when I brought it in.
Carey: The, uh…What are the plans of the band going forward with “For the Love of the Game?” Do you have tour stuff in place already? Do you know what the plans are going forward with that?
Rob: Um, we’re uh, we’re trying. I can’t say right now (unintelligible). We would like to go out and support a larger Christian act. You know, we don’t know right now, but that’s kind of what we’re shooting for. See what happens.
Carey: Well, we’ll be looking forward to that. What are you listening to right now yourself? What’s stuff that you like to listen to? And sort of what’s the gamut, you know, one end of the spectrum to the other.
Rob: Um, I’m a big Foo Fighter fan. I’ve been listening to that new Foo Fighter record. Um, I’ve been listening to that new Foo Fighter record. Um, I’m a big Foo Fighters fan, so….that’s probably….Johnny Cash is always on my playlist. I’m a huge, huge Johnny fan. My son’s middle name is Cash, so I won that battle.
Carey: Yeah, I love it. Have you ever read The Man in White?
Rob: Yeah. No, I haven’t.
Carey: You haven’t?
Rob: No, I’ve read Man in Black but not Man in White.
Carey: Man in White is Johnny’s novel about the life of Paul, and about Paul’s conversion. You know, he meets the Man in white on the Damascus Road, so that’s where the title’s from, or whatever. And he writes a really cool intro to the book, kinda talking about some of his Christian experience and the way his brother’s death affected him and stuff. So if you’re a Johnny fan, you oughta check out The Man in White. What about books? I don’t know if you’re a reader or not, but if you are, what have you been reading lately, and what would you highly recommend to somebody?
Rob: Um, well, one of the favorite books that I’ve read recently is Rob Bell’s book, newest book, called, Velvet Elvis. I don’t know if you’ve read it or not. That book legitimately has changed my life. It’s amazing. Um, and, you know, there’s another book….It really doesn’t have anything to do with Elvis, other than the fact that in the seventies, everybody used to have a velvet Elvis on their wall, and now they’re down in the basement. Nobody has them anymore. You can pick ‘em at a garage sale for a nickel. But the point of that book is, is just like everybody used to have a velvet Elvis, and that was the cool thing, nobody has ‘em anymore. In the same regards, we can’t be expect to be trying to pound nineteen-fifties traditional hymns and gospel, and like, Southern-gospel music into some of these kids’ throat, and expect them to receive it. You know, new things for new times. The gospel message stays the same, but we don’t still stand on rocks and scream at people. We use microphones. You think that people back in the day had a problem with that? Heck, yeah. “You can’t use that. That’s the electricity and audio waves. That’s of the devil.” It’s the mentality of trying, and it’s just spiritual warfare, is all it is. People trying to, Satan to cloud the mind of an old-school mentality, so that a new way to reach people can’t be brought in, and their resistance comes from the church. It’s spiritual warfare. It’s not that they’re an enemy. It’s just their, Satan gets their mind clouded, and they become the resistance. So, that’s pretty much what that book is about, and I love it, because I go to a church that deals with that type of resistance. And Rob Bell’s the pastor of a church, Mars Hill Church, up in Grand Rapids. He also heads up the ministry called Pneuma, and those videos are amazing.
Carey: Yeah, they’re pretty cool. What affects you emotionally? What…something that really touches your heart, something that really grabs you? What is it that does that for you?
Rob: As far as like, just things in this world I see that just kind of hurt me?
Carey: Uh, something that hurts you, something that makes you…it could be that, it could be love, it could be anger, but what’s something that really just affects you?
Rob: Something I get fired-up about, and I kind of just touched on it, is the church fighting amongst itself, and we are our own worst enemy. We put up the most resistance to ourselves, and that just breaks my heart. So many different issues. Now, something on the flipside, something that really does my heart good, is when I look at people that are doing like just really awesome, awesome things that people are starting to learn about. Like the Invisible Children Campaign the ministry that those guy are doing over in Uganda and Africa. That is, that is like, I love that. I’m a huge supporter of those guys, and love the fact that they as kids, basically, as 18 year old kids, went out and took on this challenge. Another one I’m really just a big supporter of, and that just motivates me is the XXXChurch.com. That’s Craig Gross over there, is doing things that most people “agin” in the church They get a lot of that resistance, the same thing that saddens me, you know.
Carey: Yeah, absolutely. I just read a really cool article also in this month’s Christianity Today, by John Piper, who talks about what a horrible thing it is that there’s tons of young Christians around that let sexual sin make them feel so guilty and so ashamed that they sort of lose their passion and their radical commitment for Christ, and that really plays into the devil’s hands. You know, that no, God doesn’t want us to sin, but He also doesn’t want us to remain shackled and lose our dreams and vision and basically let the devil push us over to the sidelines. So, people that are willing to confront those things head on and apply the love and power of Christ to ‘em and help people get some freedom and some forgiveness and, you know, jump back in there. You know, the whole “For the Love of the Game” idea, to commit – all out. I really appreciate the time that you’ve spent with me, Rob, and I guess if I wanted to ask any last thing, it would be anything that you haven’t said that you would love to get across to anybody that might be reading in terms of Pillar in general or “For the Love of the Game” in particular? Is there anything you haven’t said, that you wish you could say?
Rob: I don’t think so, man. I went off there in the beginning. Like I said, I’m pretty pumped up right now, and passionate about, you know, I know, it’s just an incredible parallel to spiritual battles, and the life that we lead, it’s not to be taken lightly. We’re not calling the relationship with Christ a game, as in terms of being toyed with. But it’s that spiritual, like, competition, the battle. The metaphor of winning or losing. There’s no in-between grounds.
Carey: And one of the things that I love about the metaphor that you’ve chosen, is that given all that you’ve said about your commitment to guys at home, that’ll get in your face and stuff, is that this Christian life is a team sport (Yeah, it is! – Rob). You gotta be willing to get in each others face, and you’ve gotta love each other enough to go through the good stuff and the bad stuff together. And you know, this is not the PGA Tour that we’re on; this is the NFL, or the NBA, or Rugby, or something like that. This is definitely a team thing, and definitely takes all-out commitment, and really tough stuff sometimes.
[Prayer Request]
Rob: Just our families, man. When we have to…my family travels with me most of the time, but just be praying for our families, ‘cause they sacrifice a lot. You know, they’re out there on the road, and we love ‘em, and we appreciate those sacrifices, and just pray that God will bless our families for their support.
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