July 04, 2005

"Patriotism Must Die!"

Wow.


I heard a punk band at Warped Tour cry this from the stage (Strike Anywhere).
While the passion was commendable and the voice revolutionary,
I don't think it would make our founding fathers of the revolutionary war as proud as it might appear on the surface. Yeah, it's cool that someone would be brave enough to think revolutionary thoughts like that -- not bowing to some prevailing thought or order of the day just because. And it is also commendable to think and love globally; but it is not realistic to think that mankind is basically good at heart and we can all just get along. A machette to the back of the neck or a rocket launcher to your dwelling place can end that idealistic notion real fast. History pretty much shows us that tyrants and outlaws will exist and kill. Fighting them with love isn't what Jesus taught. At least I don't think so. Yes, His teachings are universal and should be looked at applying to each and every situation we might face; but as a good liberal interpreter of the Bible will tell us, context can apply meaning. Did Jesus really teach us to love our enemies in the context of an invading army? If so, why did He never once really push the idea of civil disobedience and overthrowing the government of His day? Certainly He could have set up some sort of peaceful, utopian government. But He didn't. One reason for that might possibly be because He doesn't believe in it for mankind on this Earth under the present age (say, pre- Kingdom of Heaven eternal reign, and before the destruction of evil, judgment, etc). Perhaps He knew that a police force and a military were necessary. When He taught His Sermon on the Mount, He referenced a Roman soldier asking a citizen to carry his backpack one mile, which was apparently so common that it was a law in Roman occupation times. He told His followers not only to obey the soldier, but to carry that pack two miles. If He was against the military, don't you think He might've given us more clues or hints of His thoughts on the matter?


To get rid of patriotism is a radical thought. I'll give the spokesman that. But it is also so hypocritical to criticize a government that gives you the freedom to voice such an opinion. Criticism is not wrong. In fact, our government was set up so that it could be changed, as human nature will somehow get in the way and foul things up. Thus the need for a government of checks and balances and a freedom of the press and freedom of speech. To stand up and cry an end to patriotism is a slap in the face of those who gave their lives to defend this nation and this freedom. Someone who stands up and does this has that right. But they should realize that they are saying "(bleep) you" and slapping or spitting in the face of those soldiers and patriots before them. When this person is called a coward or some other name back in their face, they need to understand why. If they have thought through this and still want to protest, that's fine. But speaking without thinking is just dumb.


Having a respect for the blood of martyrs and soldiers is proper. Yes, on multiple sides of an issue. There is a time and a place to speak out on injustice, mistakes, wrong thinking. Let us listen to both (or multiple sides) of an issue. Perhaps this diatribe was just one side.


Politics. What a crazy thing.


Oh, and Rosenberg was a spy!

Posted by Doug Van Pelt at July 4, 2005 07:38 PM
Comments

Great thoughts Doug. You may be interested in my opinon of the christian and gov't. Then again you may not LOL! But where is the C-Stone report hahaha
You don't realize how we live vicariously through you.

Posted by: tim at July 4, 2005 07:51 PM

I'd love to hear your comments on government, tim.

Posted by: duglee at July 7, 2005 02:20 PM

I wonder if that guy in the punk band is communist.

Posted by: jay at July 8, 2005 07:48 AM

What is the use of love for country when your country is killing people around the world, and using God's name to do it. Love God, love people, don't love landmasses - everything else is just "meh".

I am an american by birth, but never a proud american. imperialism is not something to cheer on.

Posted by: PW at July 10, 2005 05:03 PM

No one is killing people in other countries in the Name of God. Not sure where you got that, but it ain't the case. Taking a reference to God and applying it to the cause of the war is poor logic in my opinion. Of course, every war that the US wages will get a "God bless our troops and our nation" type of spoken thing from our leader. I mean, come on. Of course! The USA is not involved in imperialistic or fascist actions. That's a lie. False accusation. That's a bunch of baloney. It sure is popular to hate America amongst young, liberal people, though. It's "in" to bash Bush, accuse our policies of being imperilistic, etc.

I would not be cheering for the Iraqis to win this war, though. Nor would I have cheered for the Soviet Union to win the cold war and take over the world. Stalin was a beast. Some people need to be acknowledged as enemies and fought (and fighting to kill).

Posted by: Dirk at July 11, 2005 10:19 AM

Ahhh the ever changing state of our nation. Whether or not you want to believe tis Dirk, anytime the US attacks a country other countries look at it as we are doing this in the name of God. Our "Christian" country is viewed just as that, therefore anything we do is in Gods name.

Posted by: Lonny Hurley at July 12, 2005 08:40 AM

I think that's poppycock. Perhaps it's true. I appreciate the gentle manner to which it was posted, but I don't quite buy it.

But do you know which voice I would trust more than the "conservative" news or the "liberal" media? It's the voice of experienced missionaries who are out in the world and who might have a pulse on how foreigners view the USA.

This is not a Christian nation. I wish it were a nation that was still holding to Christian principles (one of which is to live at peace with non-believers. I don't know who really believes that believers are instructed to kill or hate those that don't convert. I do perceive that fear from non-believing journalists, who seem to cower most to the notion of militancy when they hear believers refer to "spiritual warfare" and use militaristic terms (like, duh, Paul the apostle did in Ephesians, chapter six), as if that was an indication that believers in America were dumb and would take up arms to blow away non-believers. That's the most idiotic notion I've heard this past nano-second, but I think some people hold that as some sort of realistic danger. Whatever.

But then look at me, I went on a tangent.

Posted by: Dennis at July 12, 2005 09:27 AM